About Page from 2009

[Post originally written March 9, 2009, revised now and then, revised more significantly in November 2009.]

This is a blog mostly devoted to my passion for Indian films with a style most commonly known as “Bollywood.”  Technically speaking, though, “Bollywood” refers to the Hindi film industry, while I might also sometimes focus on Tamil films, Telugu films, Malayalam films, Punjabi films, Urdu films, and any other cinema that follows the same general traditions, which include a lot of great music and dance.

I’m also focusing on music and dance all by itself.  Sometimes, I might go outside of the films to post about cultural events – especially dance events – that happen on a live stage or in some festival on the street.  I am particularly fond of bharatanatyam, so I’m most likely to post about a bharatanatyam event.  But I love all Indian classical dance, a lot of Indian folk dance, and some more modern dances I see coming from that area of the world.  I suppose that I’ll tend to go for traditional or semi-traditional dances that most people these days would consider to be respectable, though some of that dancing certainly wasn’t considered so 75 or 100 years ago.  However, I’m not averse to posting something that might not fit such criteria, either.  So, don’t be surprised if I post a clip of a contemporary Pakistani stage mujra (which I have been doing now and then since this blog’s infancy) or some techno-fusion kind of number that classical enthusiasts will look down upon.  It’s all good – as long as I like it, for whatever reason.

I am not, myself, Indian or anything related to that in background.  I was born and raised in The Bronx, New York , U.S.A., and my own ancestral roots are Ukrainian and Russian and “Jewish.”  I don’t feel all that much connection to that ancestral background, though.  My parental family never adhered much to those traditions, and I grew up hearing all different kinds of music and eating all different kinds of food.  (I was for a long time a “latchkey” child with two working parents, so much of that food was “takeout” also, which included food from China, Italy, and India.)  I have never followed any religion, either, and I consider myself agnostic.  (Some would call me atheist, but I do think there may be things above and beyond what we can know from our limited human perceptions, even with all the science that we’ve mastered.  Plus, there’s something to be said for the philosophical approaches that have often come from people with a “spiritual” outlook, as opposed especially to the more vulgar materialism that is so often emphasized in our world.  There’s more that I could say about all that, but maybe at another time, probably in another place.)

I am not going to say that I watched all kinds of movies, because movies in general didn’t even become big in my life until the last couple of years.  I didn’t really care about movies that much until I became preoccupied with Bollywood and Kollywood movies, well into my 40s.  When I started seeing those movies, I fell in love with them.

It’s hard to believe that I’ve had this love affair with these movies for only a couple of years now…  I did acquire affinities for the music and dance for quite a while further back, and I was aware of some old Indian film scenes.  But even when I started this blog, I was not yet totally devoted to these movies (and would not be for another few months).   Originally, this was  a blog devoted to global music, often electronica, with emphasis on artists such as Cheb i Sabbah and M.I.A.  You can see that there is some connection between those artists and my affinity with Indian movies and filmi music, and it’s not hard to figure out how those electronic musicians helped to push me in this direction.  However, it has been quite a leap from those origins to where the blog is now.  (I have even thought of erasing most of the earlier blog posts to make this blog more consistent, but I am still not entirely decided about that.)

As a lot of people might notice, most of my posts about Indian movies cover movies from the Golden Age and maybe slightly earlier - mainly, from the early 1940s to the early 1960s.  That is because I truly love the films from that era, above everything else.

Once in a while, though, I will talk about a movie from more recent times.  I’m actually more likely to talk about a (more) recent Tamil movie than a Bollywood one, probably because the Tamil movies have tended to retain more of the traditional music and dance that I came to love so much in the older Indian films.  In any event, whatever the explanation, my choices are going to be obviously arbitrary, guided by my own particular tastes, which some people, admittedly, might find a bit strange.

I’m also going to be talking about political matters occasionally, especially when I can connect to politics through the music and films.  Probably, one of the reasons I like ’40s and ’50s Indian movies so much is because they are often very political, and I can agree with much of their politics.

I’ve done political blogging before, but part of the reason I started this blog was because I wanted to do something different, and it provided a welcome break for me.  I haven’t written too much in the way of direct political discussion here, and I don’t plan to.  However, it shouldn’t be difficult to figure out some of my political outlook based on what I’m writing here.  (I won’t go into that in as much detail as I have in past versions of the “About” page, since I really want to keep the focus here now on old Indian movies and not get bogged down in tangential debates.  But lets say that I am out there on the left, with an especially strong concern about “bread and butter” (or “roti and ghee”?) kinds of struggles, and always (I hope) with a strong emphasis on (real) democracy and equality.)

At the time that I am writing (and revising) this “About” page, I myself am suffering from some of the consequences of recent social events happening here in the U.S. as well as globally.  We are in an economic crisis that is not going to end anytime soon, especially not for regular people who have to struggle to make ends meet.  Despite the myths that we’ve been bombarded with here in the U.S., especially through our mass media and popular culture, there are huge class differences (even here – and much more so here than in places like Western Europe), and life for many people is a major struggle, indeed.  In many old Indian films, you can find a great awareness about the major struggle that many people must go through (as many people in India did have to struggle, indeed, at the time that these films were made), and you often will see attempts to deal with that struggle in a social, collective kind of way.  There also is a strong recognition that people aren’t always the masters of their own destiny, and therefore should receive some sympathy, rather than blame, for their misfortunes.  (While some people might complain about seeing too much of the poor=good/rich=bad stereotype, I find that preferable to latter-day “free market” myths through which billionaires are made to look like heroes or saviors.)  And I think that some of these attitudes which I’ve found in the old Indian movies have contributed a lot to my fondness for them.  Additionally, I appreciate the frequent emphasis on high moral principles.  Certainly, there were some major social drawbacks in many of these films back in the day (e.g., some westerners will be bothered or confounded by some of the attitudes toward women), but compared to many of the films from contemporary Hollywood and those industries trying to emulate it (including, unfortunately, a good chunk of contemporary Bollywood), I find much of the social content in these old films to be very refreshing – which is just another reason for me to love them, in addition to the music and dance (as I may have mentioned) and, of course, the beautiful actresses.

26 thoughts on “About Page from 2009”

  1. By the way, by ”Indian,” I’m referring to origination from the area commonly known as “India” before partition(s) <—— Just a minor correction. Western Parts of Pakistan (NWFP and Balochistan) which constitute 60% land area and approximately 30-35% population are not Indian and share very little in common with India and its culture. It is true that those parts came under British rule, but culturally, geographically they are part of greater Iran and related to Iranic people in general. Check the definition of greater Iran or Iranic people on wikipedia.

    I know it doesn't matter. But that is a common misconception that "Pakistan was part of British India, hence all Pakistanis are Indians".

  2. Thank you for the information, Mr. Jinx. Actually, I will probably revise the “About” page, and I’ll keep that in mind.

    However, this blog is focused on a certain style of film (as well as music), and would like to convey the fact that film from Pakistan has this very similar quality to film from India, which people from outside the region would often identify as “Bollywood.” Having seen some clips from Pashtun films as well, I think even those show a strong relationship. And, of course, most films from the Pakistani film industry (“Lollywood”) are made in Urdu or Punjabi and are very much connected to Indian traditions.

    It also occurs to me that there were a number of people of Iranic heritage who were a strong influence on Bollywood. Meena Kumari and Kamal Amrohi come to mind (both now buried in Iran)… (Mulling over this topic, I also recalled that Raj Kapoor was born in NWFP, but I guess his family was originally Punjabi, so therefore part of an Indian minority when they lived in Peshawar? I admit, this stuff can get a bit confusing to me…)

    Anyway, that is an interesting point that you brought up and I might return to it with another thought or two a little later…

  3. Hello Richard,

    Yeah, you are right about Cinema. Pashto film industry follows the same pattern as Lollywood and Bollywood (song and dance sequences). I was reading somewhere that mainstream Iranian Cinema (not the post-revolutionary Iranian Cinema) and to some extent Arab Cinema (Egyptian Cinema) used to copy Bollywood productions too with song and dance sequences in their films.

    If you have traditional music from Pashtun and Baloch areas, you will notice that it is quite different from Indian music.

    Also, there is a difference between people who are Iranic and people who claim Iranian heritage. The latter category (Iranian or Afghan heritage) might get confusing because there is a tendency among some Indian and Pakistani muslims to “claim” Iranian or Arab heritage which might or might not be true (like hundred of years ago). Even if it is true, they have been living in India or Eastern parts of Pakistan for so long that they are “Indianized” culturally, linguistically etc and that includes people like Meena Kumari, Kamal Amrohi and some other Lollywood/Bollywood stars. If you ask me, I will consider them Indians even if they have Iranian heritage.

    In my previous post I was talking about those Pakistanis who are “Iranic” (30-35% Pakistani population) i.e. part of Iranian plateau, speak Iranian Languages (Dari, Pashto, Balochi, Persian etc), follow Iranian Culture (Nourooz etc) and have very little in common with India.

  4. Hi Richard,

    you might know about this already but user tripmonk0 has dozens of dance and related clips on his page, also some music.
    you may remove this message as this is only sent to you cos i don’t have an e-mail where to contact you.

  5. forgot say that on you tube

  6. Richard, my sister goes to this festival in Delhi every year and one of her favourite singers there is Zila Khan. I bought the CD that was available this time but am disappointed because although it is good, it is nothing compared to the way she performs live like here

    thought you might enjoy this, even if it is not film-related.

  7. Hi, Bawa.

    Thanks for the recommendation of Tripmonk’s YouTube site. I used to have it listed in my links here, then I let it drop a while back, I think because it was suspended for some time(?) or maybe because Tripmonk didn’t post for a while and had veered away from films. I started looking at that site again when Stella_1 recommended a Vyjayanthimala/Gopi Krishna clip that Tripmonk had posted and I also saw some good scenes there from the Noor Jehan starrer Koel. I added Tripmonk to my YouTube site but neglected to put it back on this one. So, I’ll be doing that sometime soon.

    Anyway, you don’t have my e-mail address? I sent you some e-mails a couple of months ago, hope you got them. I keep stuff in my Inbox forever, so I can always find people’s e-mail addresses (not organized enough to keep an “address book”), but I know most people don’t do that. I should post a contact address on this blog. I’ve opened a new e-mail account because the Yahoo one has been having some trouble (too cluttered?), so I’ll decide if I want to post one or the other here.

    Thanks for the Zila Khan clip. That was very good! By the way, when my last computer broke in July and I couldn’t go online from home for a few weeks, I started digging into my old CD collection and I found my Best of Abida Parveen CD, which I hadn’t heard in years. (I think I had gotten it 10 to 12 years ago.) And I very much enjoyed listening to that again!

  8. Abida is great! Glad you liked Zila. I guessed that you would have already seen tripmonk, some of those clips look most interesting; when I have the time to watch them, there are so many that look interesting.

    Back to Abida, she is a permanent fixture of this festival and my sister always goes to watch her, although she says that since it has become more popular, it has lost something of its original flavour (seating on floor etc.).
    I hope I can make it sometime.

    There’s a clip of her singing in Sindhi as a young teenager.

    No, don’t post your e-mail here. I will look for yours in mine, I did get those mails, so it must be there somewhere.

  9. richard, naachgaana on youtube has subtitled several of my favourite songs, like this one from abhimaan: hope no one closes him/her down!

  10. Hi,
    Noticed a couple of referrals to my blog from this wonderful place but just couldn’t figure out from which relevant post/location..:))).This is a great place to sink in for a Hindi movie buff, passionate and stuck in sepia tones..))
    B coming arnd..
    Thanx again.
    Ebenezer

  11. Thank you, Ebenezer. I’m not sure when I referred to your blog, though I’ve certainly visited it. The other day, I nearly commented on your “Nagins” post to tell you about a great Sitara Devi snake scene, but I had to go do something else, I think. Anyway, if you’re visiting here, you must know about that one too. (And if I get into that one, I’ll be tempted to talk about a few others, which I’ve done in the past. Well, that would take some time – maybe sometime later :) ….)

  12. Thanks Richard.. :)
    Was it the Sajna saanjh..from the 1942 movie that you were referring about? Would love to hear about the rest too..I could write up a whole new one on that..:))Thanks again..

  13. Hi, Ebenezer. No, actually, I was thinking of the one I posted a little later, this dance.

  14. This is an absolute gem..Just trying to get a copy of the film..The Net seems to be woefully inadequate on that..Thanks so much..

  15. I chanced upon your blog and spent an amusing hour browsing through your various entries. I noticed that you don’t refer to http://www.rajshri.com as a source for films/clips (both old and new). Its a great source, if by the least chance you haven’t heard of it. I also noticed your mention of sufi music. So surely you must like Qawwalis? Perhaps you have done a write up already. One of my fav genre of music, especially the Qawwalis of Ustad Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (though he is of a period later than that of your interest – I think). Good blog.

  16. Hi, Suja. Glad you like the blog! Regarding your questions…

    I have watched some things on Rajshri, especially since they offer some Tamil films with subtitles for free viewing once in a while. But the subtitles are so bad sometimes, that I almost think I’d be better off watching without. :) Also, I haven’t been crazy about Rajshri’s alleged copyright-related actions against some YouTube posting friends in the past. Mostly with South Indian films (for some reason), they seem to be very concerned about maintaining their monopoly over the film clips and go after perceived infringers with a vengeance. For that very reason, if I see a film clip posted by Rajshri.com and the same one posted by someone else, I will always select the version by that someone else. :)

    And yes, I do like qawwalis. In fact, I’ve posted quite a few qawwalis from the old films that I generally cover in this blog these days. Regarding more contemporary sufi music and qawwalis, you are right that I don’t feel as inclined to get into that on this blog now, but as you may have noticed (or not :) ), I do enjoy posting clips by Abida Parveen. I haven’t posted much in the way of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, but of course, we all know who he is :) , and other people have posted a good song by him in the comments now and then.

    Anyway, thanks again for the nice words about the blog, and hope you’ll continue stopping by…

  17. I have no idea what the series of hyperlinks were that brought me to your blog … but, I am delighted with this serendipity :)

    sriram

  18. Hi Richard,

    It was wonderful reading your blog. I just wanted to know if you can tell me somewhere I can find the movie Neecha Nagar. One of my friends suggested me for it as a must watch hindi classic. I saw your post on Kamini Kaushal. I will be glad if you can help me.

    Thanks
    Pratheek

  19. Sriram and Pratheek, thank you for the kind words that you posted on this “About” page!

    Sriram, I hope you noticed that I just had to mention the Padmini post from your blog in my latest post on this blog. Your blog is interesting and eclectic. I will have to get back to it soon.

    Pratheek, I personally am not so great at recommending online sources for movies (if that’s what you’re looking for). I actually get most of my classic Hindi film DVDs from the shelves in the stores in New York City. I’ve found plenty in the DVD shops in Jackson Heights, Queens, and once in a while, I find something at a store on 28th Street and Lexington Avenue in Manhattan.

    There are a few other classic films that were sent to me by “Bolly blogging” or “Youtube-ing” friends (most often, Tom)… And then I find some freebies myself online.

    I have never actually bought a film DVD online!

    But maybe some other people out there might have some suggestions…

  20. Hi Richard

    I am highly impressed by your blog and the fact that someone with your background could have so much feel for Bollywood and its music.

    I don’t know whether others have also mentioned it, but the dark background with faint white text makes it somewhat difficult to read. Would you consider changing the colour scheme?

    I have recently started writing a blog on old film music http://www.songsofyore.com/ which you may like to visit.

  21. AK, thank you the nice comments, much appreciated.

    Regarding the color scheme, one reason I like this one, among the WordPress templates that were available, is that the dark background makes viewing videos much nicer than a white background would. And at one point, when I tried a white background briefly, I got a complaint that it wasn’t as good. It is very difficult to find the perfect background…

    If you aren’t doing so already, it might help to use the “zoom” function and raise the blog size to about 120% or 144% (I often view at 144%). Meanwhile, I try to keep an eye out for better templates, but I haven’t yet found anything else at WordPress.com to my satisfaction (at least not for this blog). (I did have another template a while back, but I like this one much more.)

    Regarding your blog, I actually found it a few days or week ago via someone else’s blogroll and added it to mine. :) Yes, it is very well done, and I am delighted that it covers the ’30s to the ’60s, which seems about perfect to me.

  22. Hi, Richard! I am a Bollywood newbie and would love to know where I can find Jyoti (1981) with english subtitles (Region 1 if its DVD). I was curious of one song that has been remixed thousands of times and a few days ago pinpointed and found the original ‘Thoda Resham Lagta Hai’ music and have become borderline obsessed with the female enchantress’ character (Irani). I have scoured the internet and there is no shred of this movie anywhere until I stumbled upon your comments on another webpage. Please help me.

  23. Tom Daniel said:

    I could be wrong, but I show the 1981 Jyoti available only as a VCD (meaning, among other things, no subtitles):

    http://www.induna.com/1000003674-productdetails/

  24. I hope to do a “Bollywood Run” maybe in a couple of days, so I will look to see if there’s any trace of these in the stores. John, I don’t know where you live, but since I’m in New York City, I’ve managed to get the vast majority of my Bollywood movies in stores. (This was especially easy during the first few years of this blog, when I lived within five or ten minutes’ walking distance of the best stores in Jackson Heights. Now, alas, hard times have left me two hours away by bus, train, and ferry, but I still try to get out there every month or so.) Outside of what I’ve found in stores, the only movies I’ve gotten were via generous donations by Bolly blogging/posting/fan acquaintances (hi, Tom!)… I have so far never bought a movie online. However, I have sometimes found DVDs in stores that Tom or others could not find online, so there is a chance I could have different luck if I look for this. So, John, I’ll let you know if I happen to see a DVD copy of this in Jackson Heights, if that’s at all helpful…

  25. Richard, do you know of anyone…on the off chance,

    Do you know anyone in NEW YORK willing to host my friend Alberto Garcia, the film director for 3 nights? – film “The Ulysses” being screened at a New York film festival. FIlm has just won a special mention at the DOCSDF festival in mexico

  26. Hi, Bawa. I will send you an e-mail to continue this discussion off the blog.

    I might have an idea or two, but not for arrangements that would be that convenient geographically or in any way luxurious. :)

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